I noticed the cast time has been added. Might I suggest an alternative to allow it to be instant cast.

I am betting it was due to player using feign death, vanish or shadowmeld to drop combat and immediately fly away in PvP or players who would slow fall and use dots on flying players and then fly back as soon as combat dropped before they landed and repeat it.

Might I suggest an alternative.

Have Vanish, Feign Death, Slow Fall, and Levitate all trip a 30 second cool down on Flight Form but not have Flight Form trip the cool down on any of it or itself.

Then we can get the benefits of an instant cast flight form without the PvP implications of being abused when combined with combat dropping abilities or slow fall mechanics.

Lost my stealth and my flight form, that hurts.

This isn't as much of an issue if you are only using a single 2 hander but gets annoying when you have 2 pieces of gear and have to swap out between them in your inventory.

Instead, just treat it like we do with the woodworking and just having the pole in your inventory is enough and if you have multiple, it will use the one with the higher +Fishing score on it.

Many of us can honestly agree that the racial abilities can make a huge impact on your character. I remember on retail when all the PvPers rolled human due to the racial and how many wanted to dump Tauren when they gutted the stamina racial to only boost base health instead of all health. Or the fact that the Gnome engineering racial allowed you to build engineering pets that were 3 levels higher than what any other race could create.

Not saying we have to go through a check list of which abilities we want per use otherwise we would have some racial abilities which would be completely ignored., Just choose your race and at level 1 you go through the menu and can select a set of racial abilities off the list such as you can choose the human racials as a whole or the Orc racials and so on and this would even open up the ability for new racial builds in the future that could be balanced against it, not that blizzards was really all that balanced to begin with.

Or if we wanted to go through the lists and go in depth have them select:

• A single elemental resistance
• A single boosted skill level (And gathering professions have boosted gathering speed)
• A single activated ability (And any associated passives directly related to it such as Shadowmeld and boosted stealth level)
• A single flavor racial out of the list.
• A single boosted weapon type or pet.
• A single boosted stat (To be honest, this could be removed as you guys already included it with the stat specialization)

Would be cool to be able to select your race entirely based on their look and the location they have associated with them without feeling like you gimped yourself due to racials.

Off topic, is it just me or does anyone else feel this setup really leaves the Blacksmithing and Leatherworking professions lacking compared to Engineering, Enchanting, and Alchemy which is equally useful regardless of what armor class you respec into using with at least tailoring being the gathering profession for enchanting?

@Dreamthief

That would work too, but I figure just treat it the same way they do when it comes to chopping down the trees or skinning mobs or mining nodes. Just having the required item in your inventory should be enough.

Off topic, the required 3 rep before you can post more gets really tedious.

When I come across giants in the over world, the Under Bogs or else where, their hitboxes are entirely too small for the size of the mob.

While that isn't a huge thing for casters, it can get annoying for melee when dealing with a 2 story tall NPC but the hitbox isn't much bigger than his scrotum.

So please, adjust the hitboxes accordingly where you only have to be close to hit them, not physically inside of them.

Ok, so....

The original flight form you could take at level 68 without flight training after a quest. This one is no quest but requires 70 and flight training AND 2 Orbs to spend on it. This is understandable given the classless nature of the server.

The original was instant cast. This one has a cast time which is useless now given that you can't fly when flagged for High Risk PvP and from a PvE perspective its just fine. Which is a major strike against it as it does remove much of the utility to it like when you could jump out of water and just fly away which even that isn't as big of a thing here since Random Dungeon Finder removes much of the need to got underwater in Zangarmarsh. This is completely unwarranted given the fact that you are spending orbs on this rather than actually spending it on other things with the half benefit of at least using it to herb if you are a herbalist assuming no mobs stop you from doing it.

ON TOP OF ALL THAT.....

The original flight form would adjust to your swift flight training and match the flight speed of your swift mounts. Here it does not and stays just as slow as always....

At this point they should just make the flight form a free purchase for players that costs no orbs as it doesn't hold a candle to the mounts which costs no orbs to purchase.

How much worth does flight form have when its WORSE than a normal mount almost across the board with an orb cost associated with it as well?

So to recap:

Flying Mount vs Flight Form
One time gold purchase vs 2 Orbs (Winner: Flying Mount)
Both require cast time (Tie)
No mana cost vs 264 mana cost (Winner: Flying Mount)
Usable everywhere as a land mount vs not usable outside of Outland (Winner: Flying Mount).
Swift Flight Training makes it quick vs Slow no matter what (Winner: Flying Mount)
Have to dismount to herb vs able to herb in form (Winner: Flight Form so long as you don't mind taking twice as long to get there).

Until its addressed, very little reason to ever use the flight form at this point...... Which sucks because I was waiting for the swift flight training this entire time just so the bird form would have some speed to it.

Full disclosure, I am someone who enjoyed The Burning Crusade far more than any other expansion and played a feral druid. So my overall mindset will be coming from there. I am also still on a limited account so putting all this in one place to make it easier to post and less cluttered on the section of the forum.

I have been playing for a bit and I have noticed just how hyper specialized you have to be on the game otherwise you are just not able to keep up with others and really has situations where many of the abilities and talents just aren't worth it given the budget you are working in. So was thinking of a few ways to open it up some to some more diverse builds being viable and allow options for some players who want to play something more similar to the old school classes as well. Here are some ideas.

1. With the talents, have talents that boost any stats have it added that they do not stack with any other talents from other classes. So if you talent into the Hunter talent that boosts your agility by 6%, it won't stack with any other talents from any other classes that "boost agility by X" or "All stats". Or if you have a talent that boosts your critical strike chance or haste or hit by any amount, they will only stack with similar boosts from that same classes trees. This would tone down much of the hyper specialization and open players up to choosing more diverse options.

2. Taking a slight queue from your Mastery skills, something a bit beyond it. Selecting a class specialization skill. You can only select one at a time. Doing so locks out choosing any other specialization. Selecting one restricts you to that classes default weapon and armor types and:

2a) Automatically gives you all stances and forms (Would be nice seeing the Aquatic and Flight forms used again without gimping yourself to select them) for that class but locks you out of all alternatives. A druid will get access to all druid forms but not any warrior stances or Paladin Auras and so on. Could also be extended into other unique abilities too.

2b) Automatically unlocks the extra skills and required skills for that class at the appropriate levels. By that, I mean the skills that are more utility in nature. Like if you selected Mage, you would unlock Conjure Food, Conjure Water, Ritual of Refreshment, and Portal Mastery. If you were to select Druid it would unlock Teleport Moonglade and Feline Grace (Which has been replaced as a redundant skill but could still be enabled since it was a thing).

2c) Will have some skills linked where when you activate one, you activate them all for that selected class at no extra cost. This would be things that you can only have 1 active at a time. Such as Mage Armors or Hunter Aspects or Abilities that only work in 1 single stance/form.

Examples: Swipe (Cat) + Swipe (Bear), Claw + Maul, Cower + Growl
Charge + Intercept + Intervene (If put back on the stance requirements)
Mage Armors
Warlock Summons

Would likely allow you guys to return some abilities to requiring them as well to promote more diversity in abilities because there are some alternative abilities that are just better than most other versions but required a stance to use, good example Charge vs Intercept vs Feral Charge vs Shadowstep, how many doesn't prefer Charge there?

3. When it comes to the orbs you use on skills and talents, introduce 1 more type just for buffs. So you limit the number of buffs a person can put on themselves so people stop walking around being a walking raid buff and have to be more selective about what they choose and benefit from asking others for help as well. But for player who use the Class Specialization mentioned in #2, the buff orb requirment would not apply to that classes buffs.

These would allow players to play builds that aren't required to be so hyper specialized to compete, tone down the scaling and damage and healing numbers. Encounters could be designed around not requiring all tanks to have Frost Armor or something like it and so on. And we could finally see more players willing to also have the extra utility skills once again.

Also, some other suggestions that isn't related to whats above.

When it comes to Claw and Mangle, Mangle is meant to entirely replace Claw on the skill bar for druids to the point it actually does in future expansions. Instead of having them both require orbs, just make the Mangle talent free but require Claw to activate and it replaces it on the bars automatically. Otherwise you are best off just not choosing claw at all or using a scroll of unlearning after you get high enough to select Mangle.

And Feral Charge, it is about useless in its current incarnation compared to Charge, I think a good alteration to it would be to just remove its dead zone and attaching the interrupt to both versions. Then they can use it as either a gap closer or an interrupt that is still canonically feral.

Would be nice to see builds where you actually had more utility and weren't expected to do DPS that is higher than your own life total. I am still leveling and have 1,100 life and my attacks are critting for 1,000 already and my gear is garbage.

Bloodthirst is one of the major aspects of that Legendary but having its GCD being so much longer than every other ability can annoying some when dealing with its timing.

Just having the Random Enchant also reduce that to match would be a great quality of life improvement.

Or just have all abilities cast while in cat form have the reduced cooldown by default would also address it along with any other future variations of this where you are using abilities in cat form that weren't originally native to cat form.

My suggestion is simple, just allow pummel and bash to be used while in cat form.

Cat form has absolutely no interrupt or stun that I know of that doesn't either require combo points or have a cast time to use. And the one that requires combo points is only good if you AREN'T hitting them as it breaks on damage.

Now, don't get me wrong, when it comes to PvP, the maim being an incapacitate is a nice feature but that doesn't change the fact that the form needs a reliable stun and interrupt.

I understand part of the point of the forms are also having limitations but it really should at least be competitive which at this point it really isn't at the top end in either PvE or PvP. I mean they have druid of the fang but that doesn't even play like a feral druid, it plays like a rogue wearing a snake hat.

Ok, so....

The original flight form you could take at level 68 without flight training after a quest. This one is no quest but requires 70 and flight training AND 2 Orbs to spend on it. This is understandable given the classless nature of the server.

The original was instant cast. This one has a cast time which is useless now given that you can't fly when flagged for High Risk PvP and from a PvE perspective its just fine. Which is a major strike against it as it does remove much of the utility to it like when you could jump out of water and just fly away which even that isn't as big of a thing here since Random Dungeon Finder removes much of the need to got underwater in Zangarmarsh. This is completely unwarranted given the fact that you are spending orbs on this rather than actually spending it on other things with the half benefit of at least using it to herb if you are a herbalist assuming no mobs stop you from doing it.

ON TOP OF ALL THAT.....

The original flight form would adjust to your swift flight training and match the flight speed of your swift mounts. Here it does not and stays just as slow as always....

At this point they should just make the flight form a free purchase for players that costs no orbs as it doesn't hold a candle to the mounts which costs no orbs to purchase.

How much worth does flight form have when its WORSE than a normal mount almost across the board with an orb cost associated with it as well?

So to recap:

Flying Mount vs Flight Form
One time gold purchase vs 2 Orbs (Winner: Flying Mount)
Both require cast time (Tie)
No mana cost vs 264 mana cost (Winner: Flying Mount)
Usable everywhere as a land mount vs not usable outside of Outland (Winner: Flying Mount).
Swift Flight Training makes it quick vs Slow no matter what (Winner: Flying Mount)
Have to dismount to herb vs able to herb in form (Winner: Flight Form so long as you don't mind taking twice as long to get there).

Until its addressed, very little reason to ever use the flight form at this point...... Which sucks because I was waiting for the swift flight training this entire time just so the bird form would have some speed to it.

Many of the random enchants end up being just a talent we already have and just basically putting a few extra talent points in it.

A potential change to that which would remove a LOT of the current random enchants would be to instead give a new type of orb every 5 levels or so an "Overcharged Talent" orb. And with them you can put up to 3 points extra in a talent to overcharge it.

This would remove countless random enchants as they are now baked into the talent trees completely while also making them unlock as you level and would have the remaining Random enchants actually being stuff that actually makes changes to how things function.

Would also streamline the mystic enchants setup where you don't use as many enchants on it.

When I come across giants in the over world, the Under Bogs or else where, their hitboxes are entirely too small for the size of the mob.

While that isn't a huge thing for casters, it can get annoying for melee when dealing with a 2 story tall NPC but the hitbox isn't much bigger than his scrotum.

So please, adjust the hitboxes accordingly where you only have to be close to hit them, not physically inside of them.

https://db.ascension.gg/?spell=17634

During with Classic and TBC, this did not exist and was Blizzard actively gutting the actual Flask which is

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=13506/flask-of-petrification#created-by-spell

My suggestion is basically to revert the potion back to its original flask. The potion is worthless all the way around which was intentional on blizzards part when they tried to break all the old alchemy stuff such as when they gutted the free action potion.

The original purpose of this was supposed to be a 1 minute equivalent to a mages "Iceblock" ability that you can't free yourself from after using. I remember this because I was an alchemist and had a warrior friend of mine always get a hold of the materials so I could make them for him since I was an Elixir Master and I was one of the few who knew the recipe and wasn't charging him anything for it.

He would use them to save himself a death when the groups were wiping as it dropped all threat or when he was tanking in heroics and you have that 1 person who can't seem to listen and keep wiping the group where he would just run out of the way and flask and let the mobs go wild on the remaining survivors rather than die needlessly or give a few to his other group members who weren't being a turd so they all could flask and watch that player die alone.

I know it isn't as huge of a thing on here since virtually anyone can get Vanish or Feign Death or Iceblock or Shadowmeld or maybe something else that is slipping my mind but it could at least have a use as opposed to the potion it turned into which is nothing but vendor trash where you can't move for 60 seconds but most things can pop the absorb in less than 10 seconds.

I have heard player housing was what Woodworking would largely be going towards if you guys do do player housing, might I make a suggestion or two about what to include.

1. Make it account wide and include a mailbox.

The other features are stuff that could be built or have other conditions.

2. Have a teleporter that will take you to any location you have a "Stone of Retreat" for in your vanity tab.

3. Make sure to include a forge, anvil, mana loom, or any other required feature for crafting.

4. Include a stable that will have all the animals you have whistles for roaming around.

5. If you have a Mystic Enchanter in your vanity tab, you can put it down permanently in your house.

6. Include crafting storage. Will have storage for Herbs, Mining, Enchanting, Woodworking, food, and Cloth. Each storage will have a personal bank for it that will include 10 bag slots. These slot can only be filled with profession bags so Herb bags can only fill the herb bank and so on. This will give incentive to actually acquire those bags to fill those slots and give professions a reason to craft them. All crafting done will have immediate access to these bags while at the home and be treated as though they have them in their inventory.

7. Include an armory that has massive space for gear for players to try for other specs. Only soulbound gear can be stored here and putting gear here automatically soulbinds it to you. Would prefer it be account bound instead but I am not sure how easy that would be to do for the developers here given the amount of gear involved.

8. Training ground, when in this ground you unlock an extra spec and talent setup and can apply enchants, talents and abilities to this setup for free but as soon as you leave the grounds that spec and glyph layout is locked. It will have training dummies and all so you can freely test out new builds but not use it to freely respec between them. You can save builds you have created while there to be applied to another specialization you have unlocked.

9. If you have the Wonderous Wisdomball in your vanity tab, he will spawn there and is improved. He can show and give quests not only from any dungeon in the game but also any zone. Will show you every quest in the selected area and will start any of them for you unless it requires an item at which point it will mark on your map where to get it.

Please leave vendors and the auction houses to the capital cities otherwise they will be rendered ghost towns should player housing include them as well.

@Dreamthief

Could just have the fishing rod put an invisible buff on your character that boosts fishing skill and is removed from you when it is not in your inventory anymore.

Doesn't scan your bags when you cast at that point, just scans your buffs. Heck, could do the same for the normal fishing rod as well and just have the best fishing rod buff overwrite any weaker versions.

Then you can only cast your pole if you have that invisible buff on you which you will only have so long as your pole is in your inventory.

@Dreamthief

That would work too, but I figure just treat it the same way they do when it comes to chopping down the trees or skinning mobs or mining nodes. Just having the required item in your inventory should be enough.

Off topic, the required 3 rep before you can post more gets really tedious.

This isn't as much of an issue if you are only using a single 2 hander but gets annoying when you have 2 pieces of gear and have to swap out between them in your inventory.

Instead, just treat it like we do with the woodworking and just having the pole in your inventory is enough and if you have multiple, it will use the one with the higher +Fishing score on it.