Dungeons are Boring now.
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For people who grind endless and mindless for arbitrary points and marks for a marginal improvement in their gear, this might not make sense, but for the people who enjoy the process it will.
I love prestige, and i love resolute. I love so much i have done it many times. Now i came back to the server after a few months off and started prestige again in BC,. I join dungeons and i am level 21 but every time i get paired with ppl level 55+ and they just aggro and clean everything in 2 seconds, i can barely try my new RES. And also, this absolute stupid ideia of making every dg your level. Who the hell thought ppl would like to do rage fire chasm over and over again? I am level 22 and i have done rage fire and gnomeregan like 5 times. It pains me that this server has some really good and fun ideias and some really stupid nonsensical garbage like this. There is no more fun in running dgs with a group and trying things out, its just farm-rush-fest.
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You do realize that if dungeons are "the right level" you would have a lot less choice and options to run a dungeon. In example as resolute, you get roughly 50-75% of a level per run. If you would start doing so at lvl 15, you have to run Deadmines and RFC well over 5 times, just to run Gnomeregan and stockade well over 5 times, etc.
I do understand the thing about "not being able to try out RE's" with people rushing dungeons that hard. And that is a true statement. However there is a second truth: There is no reason to use dungeons to try out specs. There are dummy's for that, there is open world for that and end-game dungeons for that. Leveling dungeons, I cannot find any indication that they where ever designed that way.
Don't forget, many people who ascend have done so dozens of times. They become efficient with leveling, so they are fast. There is nothing stopping you from making a group with either newer or slower paced players.
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and lvl scale now give you more players for your lvl dungeons = no need wait like 5 hours for lvl 15 dungeon like before becose (on A52) is almost no need make new char or prestige (new players or who like prestige will be usually in your lvl range for your dungeon)
now i think this all lvl can go in lvl 15 dungeon is better but same time think it is too eazy for high lvl players and also it can be frustrating for low lvl
Maybe being able to block players who have a high lvl would not be bad
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@WiliemDemon for more prestige/more new char and for more custom char elements that is why i write this https://forum.ascension.gg/topic/10/upgrade-your-race-abilities
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@MelkorMarkov The biggest point that you missed is that no one forces you to queue for ALL dungeons. Tired of stockades? Just untick it and que for the rest of the dungeons. You lose nothing by doing this, you get rewards at the end of the dungeons either way, up until the tbc dungeons at least. That's why you got 5 stockades in a row, people just like how efficiently they can pull the entire dungeon and aoe it down, so they queue ONLY for that dungeon. So by not queueuing for those high-efficiency dungeons, you'd hopefully avoid the speedrunners too.
Don't get me wrong, I hate speedrunning the same dungeons too, but there is a very viable way to avoid that.
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@Vulpinenin said in Dungeons are Boring now.:
The biggest point that you missed is that no one forces you to queue for ALL dungeons. Tired of stockades? Just untick it and que for the rest of the dungeons.
Are you sure this is an option at low levels? The last time I played, I had three characters under level 20 that I wanted to specifically run Deadmines with but when I went to use the dungeon finder, it was all or nothing. I could queue for a random dungeon or not queue at all.
Also, @Chielus, I disagree that you say "there is no reason to use dungeons to try out specs." Of course there's a reason and it should be obvious: we love doing dungeons and doing those dungeons with different specs gives the game the variety we're seeking. We're not just trying out different specs.
It's more about leveling through dungeons than just seeing if a spec is viable but trying out a spec in a real scenario and not just crunching numbers in a city is what makes it enjoyable. We love doing dungeons, not pummeling targeting dummies and speedrunning through a 5-man with a higher level character ruins both of the things we want to do.
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''You do realize that if dungeons are "the right level" you would have a lot less choice and options to run a dungeon.''
That quote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, have you ever even played WoW? You quest and dungeon at the same time, do some dead mines, then its level for gnomeregan, do some gnome and then its scarlet and etc. This is not even a debate i have done that in classic, Wotlk many many times, that is basically how the game works i have no ideia where you pulled that from.
@Chielus ''There is no reason to use dungeons to try out specs''
How about the reason that this is an open game and i should be able to play it the way i find more fun? You know like we do in WoW. You sound exactly like the type or person i described that would not understand this. Dungeons are the bread and butter of wow and you essentially killed it.
''There is nothing stopping you from making a group with either newer or slower paced players.''
Please explain to me how that works. How do you i select '' slower paced people'' for my group? Are you for real with your answers or you have a bot like mind of being '' omg someone criticized my game better defend it''
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@DoubleDiamond My exact point. I cannot believe someone seriously says '' you don't need to do dungeons in a MMO you can just hit the dummies'' Sounds like the kind of person who buys gear online and then never plays the game again
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@Vulpinenin As of yesterday, and today, at this exact moment i am logged in the game and there's no option to select specific dungeons. I asked in World chat and got the same answer. Once you select random it doesn't unselect.
Come on man, i appreciate your comment and you are being polite. But check your facts, you should know about that before telling me that it was the biggest point i am missing.
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@MelkorMarkov I did not realize they changed that. It is a really stupid change if they did. My apologies.
Edit: I do not appreciate how rudely you treat the people who took the time to read and answer your issue though. It's one thing to say that their solutions don't work for you, and another to accuse them of "ruining the game". We are not the devs and we did not enforce these changes to the RDF system. We're just players like you who are trying our best to help others. Assuming we're the types who "ruin your game" is just rude and ignorant.
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@Vulpinenin I do not understand you edit, if it was direct towards me. Where did i say you ruin the game or ruin my game? I said that people who view mmos as '' most efficient way of getting highest possible gear'' would not understand or care about dungeons being ruined. Someone who says '' you don't need to do dungeons you can just try on dummies'' is exactly that type of person. If you agree with that then enjoy your dummie beating and let me try to make the game better, as i have contacted the Gms in discord and they have agreed with me
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@Vulpinenin UPDATE
its the literal 6th time in a roll i get queed for wailing caverns. With people from lvl 15 to 60. I contacted a GM and he said that specific DG finder has been removed and this is intended.
its so bad now people in party are just leaving without doing the dungeon. So now its a gamble if you are going to get a different dungeon or a 15 mins debuff. Fun and healthy environment
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@MelkorMarkov Sounds like something they did to remedy the situation, but it backfired and only made it worse. If you really have the ear of the GMs, I wish you luck in changing their minds on the matter.
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@Vulpinenin I would not say i have the ears. I just think that because i message them on discord and my discord is my real name and photo, they at least heard me and one said he agreed with me, not that it means something will be done but at least he knows.
What do you mean ''something that was done to remedy the situation?'' Which situation? Is the server dying or something?
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@MelkorMarkov Making assumptions or attacking character and not arguments, is not flattering at all. So let's set it straight:
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I said I understood the problem, let me quote myself:
I do understand the thing about "not being able to try out RE's" with people rushing dungeons that hard. And that is a true statement. -
As a grown man I cannot take critique of a game? Seriously, that is the angle? Grow up, seriously grow up.
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How to make a slower group? Use your (complete lack of) social skills to form them without relying on a automated system.
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"Sounds like a person who buys gear online"
I am actually 100% free to play here. That said, don't expect me to excuse myself for having disposable income. What a completely weird and juvenile way of attacking a person, by saying they have financial security, using that as something bad.
So if you want to actually talk about the issue you wanted to talk about, sure let's go. If you want to be a keyboard Karen who only assaults character of others, then more power to you, just not from me.
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