Why are they only making a fresh draft realm?
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Draft mode is the only one that interests me in the slightest. It's more fun when you and your fellow players are bonding through the struggle of getting shit rolls every lvlup, vs the boring min/max same-as-retail-ey-ness of Area 52. It encourages use of Prestige and keeps dungeons alive constantly.
A fresh start counterpart to Area 52 would only split the playerbase and most of them would min/max their way to the same spot they're at now anyways. Plus, unlike most pservs, it's nice to have a place you know yours chars will still be later.
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I'm not really keen on Area 52 either, because cherry-picking the best abilities and talents is going too far in the other direction. I do enjoy short spells playing on it though, because at lest it's not as frustrating as draft mode. However, Rexxar suits me fine, as the 21 character classes are more interesting in the long run for me. I'll stick with that, long term.
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@drow21 Dude, my old S7 Draft Builds, that are literally Unplayable on Area52, got Sacrificed with the Area 52 merge!
So where is my "justice"?
And Freepick is trash anyways. Everyone plays the same cheese and everyone needs to use the same cherrypicked Abilities.
The problem is: People who start on "freepick" are feeling Draft is shit and they will never understand the pros about it.
People who start playing Draft first, will never stick around on the boring ass "Standard" realm. That server is like on PoE's standard realm. Noone cares about it... Its cheesed trash where the allmighty day 1 players can swing their dicks with all their Gold/Gear/DP-Items and gimmics...
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@Kaggen -> Drayth got it to the point:
"Draft mode is the only one that interests me in the slightest. It's more fun when you and your fellow players are bonding through the struggle of getting shit rolls every lvlup, vs the boring min/max same-as-retail-ey-ness of Area 52. It encourages use of Prestige and keeps dungeons alive constantly."
As I said, Area52 is the cherry picking cheesers trying to show off their BiS items in BGs and are toxic and Sweaty. not a good place to hang around.
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@Badgoy said in Why are they only making a fresh draft realm?:
@Kaggen -> Drayth got it to the point:
"Draft mode is the only one that interests me in the slightest. It's more fun when you and your fellow players are bonding through the struggle of getting shit rolls every lvlup, vs the boring min/max same-as-retail-ey-ness of Area 52. It encourages use of Prestige and keeps dungeons alive constantly."
As I said, Area52 is the cherry picking cheesers trying to show off their BiS items in BGs and are toxic and Sweaty. not a good place to hang around.
...and as I had already said "I'm not really keen on Area 52 either, because cherry-picking the best abilities and talents is going too far in the other direction."
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@Badgoy
Something suits everyone differently, I play everything and most of all I enjoy collecting and crafting and at the same time I write on the forum what I think could help the gameAnd otherwise, A52 is not hostile, only that during the merger we expected to get more and not just 50% of what you had on the alar, so don't be surprised that some were hostile.
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@Badgoy As I was saying, I DON'T CARE if people prefer draft over freepick. I find draft stupid as a PERSONAL opinion just as you view freepick. My only concern is that Area 52 suffers as a result, period. Where is my justice for having to wait perhaps 6+ mo for something I should have already received and prepared to make plans around??? Yes - it's crap that they forced people who liked draft to merge with 52. I don't know why they would do that if draft were so popular? They certainly gave draft everything first before 52. Was it an attempt to garner interest in the server? Didn't work obviously...
Also as an aside, when I first started playing on Ascension, I didn't realize that Area 52 was the freepick server which is what drew me to this platform in the first place. I chose Alar as an accident and instantly disliked it. So your extrapolation of people starting on certain servers ending up preferring that playstyle doesn't hold water. It's what the individual likes that determines their choice.
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@drow21 As I said, where is my Justice as Conquest of Azeroth player (Supporter/Donator)...
The Dev team has to prioritize the project where their Income comes from. (as in any other game)
Fact is, A52 is "the boring realm" (same as Standard in PoE) there is not many people and therefore there is not much money coming from it.I would also Prefer Thrall to be BC only I dont like Vanilla WoW at all. Heck, I would love, that WotlK would be finally finished. But there is not enough Manpower to go that fast.
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@drow21
Well, if I remember correctly, at the very beginning there was a freepick, only then they added a draft server and there was also a 3rd server as a season (test) so I kind of understand and at the same time I don't know why they don't do anything on A52 and that the A52 server where the players who play with them they've been there since the beginning (mostly) and actually the A52 is almost dead again just because dedicated players want to know what to add there (maybe) (during the merger we got less than what was on the Alar )And in my opinion, it would probably be better to give 3 servers (as at the beginning) 1x freepick 1x draft and 1x Season with test and functions of both (freepick and draft) (which you can choose).
And for balance freepick = skills have Abilities have a different price, which means blink = -5 points, but in draft have all skills at -2 points = as a result, a draft player can have more skills (but again limited by rarity, which freepick does not have, but can have)And if they don't want to have so many servers, then 1x with the functions of both + 1x season with the functions of both (for testing new game systems) (max. 6 months per test)
And further, I would rather focus on pvp balance, so that CC (stun, fear, horror, root, ... skills should have that if you use the second such skill, then all the others you know will share the CD, this should prevent that, for example stun was abused against players (normal wow class has less CC than we can have here)
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@Badgoy
Thrall is Vanilla only becose they need test new systems and REs (WREs) -
@WiliemDemon it will go to TBC later or not? Because if not, I instantly stop playing. I only wait there till Conquest of Azeroth updates / TBC S8 Release
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@Badgoy yes it will be TBC
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@WiliemDemon Yes - that is the way it still was when I entered the scene. I picked Alar then found out that Area 52 was freepick and made the switch. I participated in season 7 and stopped playing at the end of the season waiting for the updates that never came to 52. Particularly the talents and spells. Back then anyway, the server seemed busy - never had a problem finding a group in group finder and saw people running around all of the time. Whether it's dead or not now, I couldn't say as I haven't played since they kept screwing us over. If it is dead, much of that probably has to DO with there being no updates and if they don't have the manpower to handle it, they may as well delete the server as they will be bleeding players anyway as a result.
I don't understand why the couldn't just port the spells and talents over as they should already be balanced for 52. Didn't seem to be an issue having them ready for Alar after season 7 unless it was done on purpose to try and draw more players over to Alar at the time.
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@drow21 I think you do not get the point of this Server!
As I mentioned, the Devs surely had been playing PoE.
And Standard Realm is a FILLER Realm. If you chose the Filler Realm, dont be mad when you get "Features" later than the Seasonal Realm.
The Seasonal Realm IS THE MAIN SERVER. In all Seasonal Games.
I dont want to sound rude, but if you play on the Standard boring Server, dont be mad, when it stays boring...
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@Badgoy
I'm not saying that it's boring or anything like that, but that what was kind of promised wasn't given to us in A52, like for example Alar and Malganis had a brilliance aura, and we got a talent for that skill in A52, but we didn't get the ability, so what's the use of that talent ? (and otherwise I have nothing against the people who run it, but I can imagine that this can upset a lot of players)And Malganis was told that when it's over, everything will be put on both servers, but as a result, they only put skills on Alar (they put the characters on both servers, though)
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@Badgoy And I don't want to be rude but you make a lot of assumptions. Whats "boring" to YOU isn't boring to everybody. How would you know about the metrics of the "boring" server if you don't even play it? For your information, I played PoE for a good while on that "boring" server which was STILL busy and bustling even DURING a season! Also, the "boring" server got most of the features of what the seasonal server got IMMEDIATELY accept for whatever the main theme mechanic was and immediately after the season, the "boring" server got everything else without delay. Granted they have a bigger crew to handle things but "boring" servers as you like to call them are not doxxed because they are "boring", it's to promote the SEASON and get people to play it. Stop talking about crap that you really have no clue about and making expositions based on bias.
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- "And I don't want to be rude but you make a lot of assumptions. Whats "boring" to YOU isn't boring to everybody."
Again, you ignore the facts. If you cant cope with it, you have to seek another Server/Game and come back when changes happen.
Your lamentations wont change anything. You are better of trying to understand the situation.
- "but "boring" servers as you like to call them are not doxxed because they are "boring", it's to promote the SEASON and get people to play it. Stop talking about crap that you really have no clue about and making expositions based on bias."
You are the spoiled one, that has no clue how things run, and your ignorance doesnt make your words true.
And please show me the filled to the brim Standard server in PoE... Only, because you see some People in town, who are standing there the whole year, doesnt mean anything. If the League is down to 5k people, how many do you think play Standard? 50? 100?
And most of them, just try to figure out a build and test some theorycrafting for the LIVE Realm, because they DONT CARE about wasting currency there.
Do you understand that Devs work all day long on fixing bugs for Thrall?
Do you really think they care the slightest atm about Area 52? as I said, effort is put in the direction of where the money comes from. And that is clearly not A52!
I am 100% Sure they even make more money with Rexxar Packages alone than whole Area 52...
And what Streamers are Promoting Area 52? None, because noone cares at the moment, you are a die hard minority. Accept it or be mad, its your choice.
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@Badgoy said in Why are they only making a fresh draft realm?:
"And please show me the filled to the brim Standard server in PoE... Only, because you see some People in town, who are standing there the whole year, doesnt mean anything. If the League is down to 5k people, how many do you think play Standard? 50? 100"?
I never said it was "filled to the brim". I said it was busy and bustling even during the seasonal content.
"And most of them, just try to figure out a build and test some theorycrafting for the LIVE Realm, because they DONT CARE about wasting currency there".
I concede that you may have a point there but it doesn't take away from the fact that they faithfully updated the "boring" server during and immediately after the season unlike these devs and I already attributed that to lack of manpower.
"Do you understand that Devs work all day long on fixing bugs for Thrall"?
Yes - do you understand that players on Area 52 STILL haven't even gotten the spells and talents from season 7 before they moved on to season 8?
"Do you really think they care the slightest atm about Area 52? as I said, effort is put in the direction of where the money comes from. And that is clearly not A52"!
Well they SHOULD - that is IF they want to keep the interest of the players on Area 52. Otherwise, they may as well delete it...
"I am 100% Sure they even make more money with Rexxar Packages alone than whole Area 52..."
Not everything is about money which is why this server will eventually probably die. At this point I'm just waiting for CoA and hope that they don't screw that up.
"And what Streamers are Promoting Area 52? None, because noone cares at the moment, you are a die hard minority. Accept it or be mad, its your choice."
Well duh! Of course there will be videos about season 8 because it's the newest thing on ascension and if you type in WoW Ascension on youtube there really isn't all that much hype about season 8. After about a page of season 8 vids, it pretty much drops off. Some won't even PLAY season 8 because they hate draft and think it's stupid and some don't really care all that much even if they are not a direct fan of draft.
To close this out, I NEVER had issues finding groups in the finder on Area 52 that you claim to be dead and unpopular. There is still much to do for those who haven't consumed all of the content as of yet or are still leveling their characters. I go 1x exp just to let all of my characters level up organically. I don't rush to the end. This is why I have a ton of stuff to do in the game. Aside from that, whenever they bring in WotLK, that will add a whole new layer of busy.
And finally, you need to change your attitude. Frankly it sucks. You sound like one of those elitist pricks on many of these type of games.
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@Kaggen The perks to draft are you can achieve better builds then a52 so you feel more 'powerful' but the amount of effort and time really isnt worth it and only a handful of the playerbase gets to the point.
Also atleast in pve, freepick is pretty scripted over on a52 from my experiences, on draft you make do with what builds you got and what utility you got, on a52 freely swap to perfect builds and utilitys strictly to make the 1 encoutner easier doesnt feel satisfying atleast from my experiences, but s8 draft has been horseshit and i quit 3 days in, waiting for changes or just gonna enjoy a52
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